Laeserin @Laeserin - 9h
If you feel the urge to go to the gym, every day, have you considered transitioning to some other, more productive, form of physical labour, instead? Why is this not a thing?
Theoretically, robots are more efficient than humans. Practically, humans are paying money to exert or suppress their energies in an unproductive manner and then also paying for robots to do what the humans previously did.
liminal @liminal - 9h
You didn't have permission to call me out like that 😡
But, really, from that article from nostr:nprofile1qqs8qy3p9qnnhhq847d7wujl5hztcr7pg6rxhmpc63pkphztcmxp3wgpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgmwaehxw309a6xsetxdaex2um59ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hsz9nhwden5te0dehhxarjv4kxjar9wvhx7un89uqaujaz : >>As the space for intelligent human action gets colonized by machines, our own capacity for intelligent action atrophies, leading to calls for yet more automation.<< Can we not say the same for physical action?
All of the strongest men I personally know IRL do not go to the gym, but their hands are rough and calloused. That's all I'm saying.
Robots take over physical labor. Humans engage in less physical labor and physically atrophy. Everyone says, Good thing we have the robots, to do that, since humans can't do it. But humans were doing it, before.
Soon they will say, good thing we have computers to read and curate written text and search the Internet, since humans are too stupid to do so. But humans used to read and search the Internet. It was real. I was there. I am a witness.
It's the tyranny of scale and increasing marginal utility. If a human can do the task in 3 seconds and the machine in 3 nanoseconds, the human is to COMPLETELY ABANDON THE TASK. But, then, the human unlearns the task and will require the computer to perform it, going forward.
liminal @liminal - 8h
We embody what we actuate and disembody/ atrophy whatever we don't. Our creations, while immersive are uncomperable the the analog & fluid aspects of our perceptive & action oriented processes. The creation of tools and the broader concept of our continuous exaptative processes hints at our potential. To segment objects from our sensory fog, and to continually create more uses for said objects. But it can only come from recurrent encounters. The only way to carve more and deeper channels is by continually tending to them through continually engaging them in their /natural/ environment. Probably makes for a good general reminder.
Laeserin @Laeserin - 8h
Yes, I can sort of see that. That the proper use of tools is to allow humans to become more efficient, not to replace them or make them obsolete, so humans should always work in parallel with their tools and refine their tools and expand their tools. Interact with their tools or leverage their changes to their tools by surveying. They shouldn't fall for the fallacy that the Creation can be greater than the Creator.
bringing up recommendation systems - its interesting how we create technology to "free ourselves up", yet some of those freedoms end up boxing ourselves, disconnecting ourselves from the open endedness of nature. Definitely a conversation to be had about our technology design to enable more agency instead of atrophying it.
You can already see people standing in front of a well-stocked pantry and kitchen, decrying that there is nothing to eat.
I like how our team has been approaching LLMs as a form of complementary navigation or leveraging of, or preparation for, human curation. A symbiosis for the advancement of the human, rather than the machine.
liminal @liminal - 7h
An interesting dichotemy - the local vs the macro. You have your goal to reach, and you'll try to get their as fast as possible. Find perceived straight lines and slam on the gas. Yet, the meandering around is what helps learn the landscape in the long run, not the straight lines. Perceived because you might think you're taking shortcuts at first, but you might just be sending yourself into circles trying to leave the forest. Even worse, your overconfidence developed from using those shortcuts can make you even more lost when you don't have access to them and the stakes are high. You want to be lost at your own volition, not when the forest monster is stalking you.
Laeserin @Laeserin - 7h
I've noticed this, my whole life. I've continued to do activities that everyone else abandoned -- or even added new ones -- and now I look like a universal genius. But it is simply that I persist, even when automation is superior, because I think the honing of mind and body is too valuable to capitulate to the machines. At the same time that I always learn to also leverage the machines. And this, ironically, is precisely what keeps me ahead of the machines, and independent of machines. It begins with very simple questions. Why learn to play an instrument or read music? Why learn to read anything, at all?
But it ends with more advanced questions. Why learn how relays work? Why learn how code is compiled or interpreted?
It's always funny, how people are offended at how much influence I have upon the protocol and the developers, but they are missing the point that I've taken the time to FIGURE OUT HOW THESE THINGS WORK. Knowledge really is power, and knowledge within yourself is the greatest power.
So, David Goggins - man is batshit crazy doing what he does. But that's it, he lives to overcome his own pain. He was on Andrew Huberman's podcast where it was mentioned that there is a region in the brain that gets stronger from doing things you don't enjoy - like actually loath it. Not that "it's painful but yadayada", actually hating every fiber in your body that is actaully engaged in the activity, and still doing it. There's something profoundly human about that.
Laeserin @Laeserin - 6h
Hiking is always good. Try taking a long walk to an actual destination. But also remember that winter is supposed to be a time when humans have quieter, more contemplative lives. So, maybe read more books or carve wood.
Laeserin @Laeserin - 5h
Other good things are archery, or joining the volunteer fire department or community clean-up crew.
Laeserin @Laeserin - 3h
Yeah, it's hard to substitute #realwork with #fakework. Fakework is what you do to prepare for realwork or to maintain a certain level of fitness between bouts of realwork (such as when you're snowed in, on a submarine, or stuck working overtime at a desk job). If you're _only_ doing fakework, but that regularly, you should at least consider rebalancing. Unless you're in training for a weightlifting competition, or undergoing rehabilitation, or something. It's not that fakework is worthless, but we should always remember that it is merely the means to some productive end.
