jb55 @jb55 - 16h
The issue is that ecash forces custody while making the path to non-custody harder. NWC is a superior API to build around instead of focusing on ecash integrations, since switching to your own node is trivial with NWC if you want to upgrade to a non-custodial setup. There is no real non-custody upgrade path in the ecash case if devs focus on building ecash integrations instead of NWC. Let's focus dev energy around #NWC and lightning wallets with zap support! They are severely lacking! Let's not rebuild the world we are trying to deprecate. nostr:note14p8qklmp4xmnxkeee4vj8l35haref64pdqzcl0x6r7eh0t2vmfhs200cy9
jb55 @jb55 - 15h
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If we build apps where the only option is ecash, then yes you are effectively forced into custody. This is my concern. I’m already seeing apps where ecash is the main focus
There are errors… we show them in damus with the reason
I am not ignoring the challenges of running the lightning node, I am simply saying we shouldn't outright deny that path to people who decide to take on the extra complexity for true self custody. I also believe we can make this path more attractive with more development and more engineering effort. ecash can't really be a true p2p electronic payment option because at the end of the day you still need lightning to verify if its a real payment, unless you want to reintroduce chargebacks and all those nasty things. At the very best it just masks the issue.
what do you mean by nwc zaps
nwc is just a protocol for paying lightning invoices and controlling lightning wallets from apps, it doesn't really have anything to do with ecash. some people have built NWC bridges to mints, not exactly sure how that works though.
its also interesting that you think ecash is a better stack. I just see it as a more complicated stack with less reliable payment option for vendors accepting payments. The biggest benefit of lightning for vendors was to remove to chance of chargeback fraud, which is a huge issue for vendors. You can eliminate this by just enforcing a mint when receiving payment and using lightning again, but then you don't really gain anything from ecash other than privacy, which is not nothing, but you can have private lightning wallets as well without ecash. its not that complicated.
jb55 @jb55 - 14h
how can lightning lose ground to ecash, does it not depend on lightning? Unless you are proposing shitcoinery.
one example
