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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

I finally spent 10 minutes to understand Israel Palestine conflict. It seems initially British and eventually US geopolitical interests is the reason Israel exists?

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

Even then, without the support from the US, I doubt the conflict would continue to this day.

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

Right but why didn’t they organize prior to western support? Why were US and British governments lobbied for support and why did those nations get involved in a region far removed from themselves? Geopolitics over Suez Canal?

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signal_and_rage ☕️ @signal_and_rage ☕️ - 2y

lots of history there https://image.nostr.build/268a938144c4da216a2cf521400a7180ef89079bcf3675eaa89462c40c07ee25.jpg

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

The Zionist movement predates the holocaust and was first used to serve the British interests in the area. Makes sense. But doesn’t exactly make the Muslim nation happy. Understandably so, especially with European Zionist leaders starting the movement.

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ishak @ishak - 2y

if you consider they were all jewish back then (all semites, in the end)… then karnage has a (pretty legit) point.

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signal_and_rage ☕️ @signal_and_rage ☕️ - 2y

The West wants influence in the region. It’s not about their safety. Israel can fit in land owned by the US Forest Service https://image.nostr.build/1256cf8a3091ba1d1f96052d7b2412296196f478237e05df4b7caf944a584fb2.jpg

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

I just want to understand the origins of this conflict without any bias. This is hard as anything I read is already probably biased so I try to query chatgpt in multiple ways to see what it says and try to draw my own conclusions. Talking to people only clouds any fair judgment as I feel there’s so much uninformed heated exchange online. I have no skin in the game on either side and just want the facts of what events unfolded to get to where we are today.

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

As always. I feel it’s extremely naive to believe we’d be in any areas we don’t belong for the good of the people.

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0b118 - 2y

The religious oppression is a perfect tools by governments. There is no reason why Jews and Muslims can't live next to each other. They both refer to the Old Testament compared to Catholics and Protestants who are far more different in religion and practice to them. There will never be a solution over the Holy Land that both sides claim, and that's ok. They can still live side by side in harmony. But no. Instead of promoting calmness and harmony, governments worldwide promote war and fights. To demonise. To pick sides. For people to come together when they have common enemy. To benefit from having a middle east contact point for war and trade. Only 2 US president to the best of my memory pushed for peace agenda - JFK and Clinton's Camp David. Both did not last the presidency

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

Peace would probably mean losing a geopolitical ally. Makes more sense to fund a responsive war marching ready to act on western behalf on a moment’s notice

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ishak @ishak - 2y

trust me, 10 minutes ain’t enough. there’s the british/north-american issue, as you’ve pointed out, and the land invasion, millions of people displaced. there’s the us support to hamas back in the ussr days (and basically to all the modern days terrorist groups). there’s the holocaust appeal. and there’s the historical dispute for the land. if you were to read one book about it, I’d recommend parting ways by judith butler (forget bout the queerness, just read it). and there are the numbers, as I’ve recently observed: 20 palestinian deaths to 1 jewish in the last 15 years. yom kippur and nabka are also a good start to understand it.

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ishak @ishak - 2y

the address was wrong indeed, must have been some shit I did during my existencial crisis days a couple weeks ago 🤡

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

Of course. But I much prefer querying chatgpt because I can ask it to play the devils advocate and use anything I see there as a starting off point into other areas of interest. Simplifies and accelerates learning.

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7317f - 2y

Yeah, the British divided up the middle east after WW1, intentionally cutting ethnic groups to ensure the region would remain weak and unstable.

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ishak @ishak - 2y

if you’re not willing to cope with bias, chatgbt is definetely the way to go — specially on devils advocate mode. butler is jewish tho. I’m half lebanese, 1/4 jewish btw, gaza itself. the distraction.

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

I wouldn’t call it cope 😂 just a waste of time.

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Karnage @Karnage - 2y

😆

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