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1. Zappers need recognition: nostr:nevent1qvzqqqpxqupzq70sp5l45x0vspscnl9tq0qmunlcr5vwunm98jy043qluq6hpapjqqsvq8043l5r40277653d7tjx6aw74h0y429xhc5phtgeearcmq97tgvuuxlf Love this nostr:npub1axy65mspxl2j5sgweky6uk0h4klmp00vj7rtjxquxure2j6vlf5smh6ukq 🔥 2. Zappers need anchor points: https://cdn.satellite.earth/1b182e9be87cccc64e839f92e93f74bb46049dca79adbea31789b2d3ac5a368d.png 3. You cannot depend on Zaps alone and need things you can set a price on. On an open protocol, these things have to be scarce: - Your Community (write-access) - Your inbox relay - Your physical products - Your hosting / computation - Your time - And even your recognition/replies on Zaps (see 1)

Niel Liesmons @nielliesmons - 2mo

nostr:nevent1qvzqqqpxqupzq70sp5l45x0vspscnl9tq0qmunlcr5vwunm98jy043qluq6hpapjqqsrypsa39xg2lhtl9d9td0kp5zjnay6mnjpwq3u83wdhx3ua8ykrpstlqvfa Appreciate it @IMNVSO 🫂

Gigi @Gigi - 2mo

No prisons, no limits. It doesn't make sense to put a jpg or a blog post behind a paywall. If it's good, it will be available for free in no time. Someone will right-click save the thing, or take a screenshot, and send it around or republish it. Trying to fight that is stupid. Putting chunks of data behind prisons is stupid. All data can be reproduced at zero marginal cost, leading to infinite supply. That's why market prices are ridiculous for blog posts, and why it's equally ridiculous to try to sell a single blog post. What you CAN sell is access to an exclusive club or community, as well as access to the author. That's what all Twitch/YouTube/OnlyFans have figured out. But make no mistake: they're not selling JPGs. They might sell early-access (in the case of OnlyFans) which is fair, but it's not selling a JPG as you would sell an apple. Early access because if the stuff is any good, it will be available for free to anyone everywhere. Here's the thing: people love to support other people, so let them. No limits. The success of Patreon and Substack does not come from paywalls, but from the inherent willingness of people to support others. Lean into that. Let people give without limits. Social signaling is important. Community is incredibly important too. Do that right, and we can 100x the whole space just like a switch from $50 per game to free-to-play 100x'd the gaming industry, selling cosmetics and social status only. Computers are copying machines. Information yearns to be free. People want to support the stuff they love, and they're willing to pay for it. Not all people, but ~4% of them. And that is enough.

Gigi @Gigi - 2mo

I wrote about all that at length in the past, e.g. here: "Copying something at zero marginal cost leads to a virtually infinite supply of that thing. It doesn't matter if that thing is a JPG, a blog post, or an mp3 file. If it can be copied by anyone quickly, perfectly, and for basically free, the supply of said thing quickly approaches infinity. We move from the analog world of scarcity into the digital world of abundance. Markets don't work in this world. In the words of Jaron Lanier: "Markets become absurd as supply approaches infinity."" https://dergigi.com/2022/12/18/a-vision-for-a-value-enabled-web/

Gigi @Gigi - 2mo

That's fine. My point is a general one: there is a better way to monetize than charging $0.02 for a blog post (or participating in the surveillance machinery), we just have to figure it out.

Niel Liesmons @nielliesmons - 2mo

With games it gets confusing because they are often partly selling something scarce (computation, hosting, access to a community of other live players, etc...).

Niel Liesmons @nielliesmons - 2mo

Community-specific widgets 🚀

Niel Liesmons @nielliesmons - 2mo

I'm designing for this and I need help in coming up with more examples of widgets that'd be useful for specific communities.

Niel Liesmons @nielliesmons - 2mo

Ooooh 🤩 I'm gonna need some time to grasp this (not a real coder here).

Silberengel @Silberengel - 2mo

You know, everyone low-key hates product placement and other advertisements and people are now paying money to get the without-product-placement version. That's just arriving at a freemium model, but annoying the heck out of everyone, first, by trying to peddle face cream and vitamin tablets. People willing to pay for things, prefer to cut the crap and just pay outright.

Silberengel @Silberengel - 2mo

Yeah, they do in-game sales, too. Huge business. Or they're spyware. 😅

Silberengel @Silberengel - 2mo

Substack is actually a bad example because it's a subscription freemium model, with set pricing, not V4V. V4V is just a new way to say "have a tip jar".

Silberengel @Silberengel - 1mo

Well, we have the NKBIP-02 for vector embeddings, that nostr:npub1m3xdppkd0njmrqe2ma8a6ys39zvgp5k8u22mev8xsnqp4nh80srqhqa5sf wrote.

Silberengel @Silberengel - 1mo

No, the link is on the ReadMe.md from the NIP repo. We'll be keeping that up-to-date. https://image.nostr.build/1ddd919f842cca3c4353362533ec2edb5b66d1ef5a41c9ca1917a58279813a2d.png https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/README.md

Silberengel @Silberengel - 1mo

Sorry, wrong screenshot. It's this one: kind 1987

Silberengel @Silberengel - 1mo

I'm sure nostr:npub1m3xdppkd0njmrqe2ma8a6ys39zvgp5k8u22mev8xsnqp4nh80srqhqa5sf and nostr:npub1wqfzz2p880wq0tumuae9lfwyhs8uz35xd0kr34zrvrwyh3kvrzuskcqsyn would love to get some feedback, by the way, if you notice anything missing or whatnot.

liminal @liminal - 1mo

If you are grabbing embeddings from other users, there should be a link to the original model used for the embeddings. There are probably solutions for recovering the original text from the embedding and you can also just reembed the text yourself to compare the resulting vectors. But if you're grabbing enough of them that you're trying to make comparisons, you're giving some level of trust because at that level you might as well do the embeddings yourself. Additionally, if the embeddings are already being used in a recommendation system I'd imagine that they are there because they are useful and help increase the organization of the content - so I'd expect that there is less incentive to find embeddings that are maliciously inserted by a user.

Silberengel @Silberengel - 1mo

The key here, is that relays are the only ones that can truly moderate content for a community because they can hard-delete, block universally, allow universally, define allowed or blocked keywords, manually curate, etc. Everyone else can only issue events and hope for the best, but a relay is a real server and directly controls the data set on a machine. That's much more persistent. And communities need to determine what they trust, and what they don't. Then individuals can choose a community whose moderation they prefer, or run their own. Because to trust data, is to value its usefulness and accuracy, but valuations are always subjective.

liminal @liminal - 1mo

Perhaps not specialized relays that do a few functions well, but an additional feature for existing relay architecture. It needs the database for effecient storage and retrieval, so a relay that expects embeddings as a feature should use this "module" to know what to do with these event kinds. Otherwise, block the event because you don't want to be holding embeddings unless you actually care about them. with that, you can automatically embed events as they come in - or you can have an npub be an agent to compute embeddings as you need them. I'd expect embedding all kind1's flowing through a relay, or even a set of relays to be intensive, so you optimize in the quality of the content you embed. User's calling a bot for the job is definitely a signal of quality.

Silberengel @Silberengel - 1mo

I think librarian versus library might be a false dichotomy, as a very good librarian might declare that she will be found in one particular library, where she stores the actual books, rather than merely making recommendations.

Silberengel @Silberengel - 1mo

Looks pretty thorough, yes. But doesn't she also "serve up" or "hand over" books? Like, you can reserve a book at the library or online, and she goes and gets it, and then you can pick it up.

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