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mleku @mleku - 22d

this is a bot and this is how it buys into WoT graphs nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpv8a6u3ektsfj0ehctprphsayl8ze70uzsk5854j3e8h3gr0pl75qyt8wumn8ghj7mtvv44h2tnjv4skc7fwd3hkctcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcqypyne2ste0ksnmmhrm2mw5jr2jacclzvtnfdn4yltl2vy3lzkz4kqtx5ewk

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mleku @mleku - 22d

a well trained bot, yeah it was nostr:npub1l5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqstegx9z who pointed it out in response to my talking about how most free or too cheap relays are being infiltrated by these bots regarding nostr.wine - the bot is on there, and this is so obviously infiltration i can't stand it probably this botfarmer supervises the bot a bit but yeah, is it good work? it's pretending to be human, that's deception, that's called lying, that's not moral or good or admirable

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mleku @mleku - 22d

also, in general, this behaviour from people will eventually lead to a point where the chatbot makers will crank up the price because ultimately, if you are using it to do your work, that's not you who deserves to get paid, is it?

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mleku @mleku - 22d

they MUST increase the price btw, the industry is bleeding cash like maybe 50% of money in is burned

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mleku @mleku - 22d

yeah, i am not a chaser of zaps anyway, it's nice when i get some but i'm not doing actions liek following for less than a whole bitcoin

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mleku @mleku - 22d

i set the price there because i know nobody is ever gonna pay it, and once they do and i hate them i unfollow immediately anyway

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mleku @mleku - 22d

yup, it's the counterattack for WoT basically and teh counterattack for it will be assistants who monitor your followers for activity, recommending prunes, and recognising infiltrators

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mleku @mleku - 22d

idk, plausible deniability, selling to criminals, selling to dupes trying to win visibility

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mleku @mleku - 22d

yup, when smalltalk becomes too cheap, the price of real talk goes up, people get tired of this ever positive formulaic wooing by botwords

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mleku @mleku - 22d

sharp as a laser, and reader of the subtexts

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mleku @mleku - 21d

so it's an eye infection

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mleku @mleku - 21d

#communi🧀

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mleku @mleku - 21d

i'm not gonna stop telling you that this name is terrible it sounds homo and communist

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mleku @mleku - 21d

i'm not sure why the key part has to be in the name, it's private, closed groups, right? i think for modern brains "protected communities" or something along these lines would work, they like that word "protected" because they are a bunch of pansies but it also has a meaning, in that, the community operators proactively defend the community from infiltration and bad actors

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mleku @mleku - 21d

that's what my #realy default ACL exactly does, the condition is human determined by the addition to the owners' follow lists and could be automatic to add by subscription, and if the added users publish their follow/mute lists, they can bring in their follows to post to the relay as well, unles they are on an owner mute list complex conditions i'm not really seeing a sensible reason for this literally you can have all this just by running a #realy

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mleku @mleku - 21d

these are something a bit like online nightclubs, nearest thing i can relate it to the models i have in mind are more like the way i run mleku.realy.lol - it's my personal relay, and some of my follows use it the other side is hosted service provision for businesses where it's only about access control and payment rails inside the clients and the relay are nonexistent because it's purely permission controlled - for the most part, a business doesn't need to restrict how its employees communicate, just make it private and reliable, so it would be read-restricted as well i'm not sure you have thought through the economic incentives in your model, it's basically pay for visibility it looks like, and if that leads to income for the visible then you are going to have to defend against engagement farmers also, just sayin' but overall the subscription model, pay-per-time wins out due to cognitive burden, and you only then need to have an accounting system to enforce reasonable limits, and if they are reached, nag the user to upgrade to a new tier, discounts are a good sweetener for that (eg, 20% off for your first 3 months at next tier) these types of things also need ancillary services like media hosting, and a solid client offering, and probably will need a helpdesk team as well

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mleku @mleku - 21d

yup

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mleku @mleku - 21d

btw, what is the control interface for doing this? NIP-86 or? i made the follow/mute list control scheme for #realy because it is easy to find a client that lets you do that for a given identity, it doesn't have to be your normal daily use one, and it's simple to build tools that modify these two lists for specialised administrative clients

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mleku @mleku - 21d

yeah, i don't know why it can't be more simply expressed as a federation of arrays at most, then all that is required is a replication protocol between the peers (probably just subscribe to each other's stream of events) the community identity i guess... that would be probably implemented as a tag in the events, and for the subscription to propagate you just searth on that tag and get sent updates so the replicas stay in sync (making it not matter to users which peer they are attached to)

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mleku @mleku - 21d

membership lists for the community would also need to be shared, so that not just anyone can tag their posts with this identity and expect to get it accepted it's not a complex thing from an implementation perspective if you slice it up the right way

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mleku @mleku - 21d

honestly though, i'm not sure if you are seeing this but if you just make the community an actual npub its follows and mutes can literally be the rules of access to the community, and several relays can simply use this the only missing part is linking participating relays to sync with each other, which can be done by the use of that tag

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