ccaa5 - 21h
I highly doubt this makes any financial sense. The marginal cost to kill or seriously wound a Russian is probably something like $50k; the _entire war_ has only cost ~$250k per Russian casualty in direct military spending, and that includes lots of pricey defensive spending like anti-air defense. Ukraine has constantly been short on things like drones and ammo that could easily be purchased if only more funds were available. I _highly_ doubt the French government is spending less than $50k per Russian. There's a ton of work that needs to be done to vet defecting Russian soldiers given the high chance they're infiltrators, and every failure is incredibly costly. That's on top of ordinary refugee expenses like welfare and other social support, which cost thousands per year. Just spend the money on weapons and focus on killing Russians efficiently. The ones who are deserting were probably not effective soldiers anyway.
Karnage @Karnage - 21h
This is a very strange way to talk about human lives.
ccaa5 - 13h
It's a war. You could kill every single Russian soldier, and it wouldn't be a genocide. You would however be preventing a genocide. https://x.com/CaolanRob/status/1843749934379515953
It's a war. Winning matters. Russia is the one murdering Ukrainians, by, among other things, hunting for civilians with drones. Killing off Russians as efficiently as possible saves lives. Not all lives are equal. It would be perfectly acceptable to kill a thousand Russian soldiers to avoid the deaths of one Ukrainian. https://x.com/CaolanRob/status/1843749934379515953
It's a war. You need clear headed men to look at the situation objectively and win it. The more efficiently you kill off Russians, the fewer Ukrainians will die. Between the two, one group is objectively evil and the other is not. The objectively evil group is the one trying to massacre Ukrainian civilians with drones. https://x.com/CaolanRob/status/1843749934379515953
Karnage @Karnage - 11h
I don’t agree. All lives are equal. No human is worth no number of other humans. All war is despicable. It’s unfortunate that young guys are being made to fight on behalf of their dictator. I’m sure none of them want to be there. Well, maybe a few.
ccaa5 - 11h
The super majority of Russian soldiers that are dying are volunteers. Russia has not fully mobilized yet for political reasons. They're getting people to fight by paying them extremely well instead. That's also why Russia is increasingly recruiting soldiers from outside Russia too: soldiers from countries that are more poor than Russia are cheaper. These people don't deserve our pity. They volunteered to murder Ukrainians for money and died for it. The world is a better place without them. "all lives are equal" is "defund the police" level nonsense.
The supermajority of Russians who are dying volunteered in exchange for (by Russian standards) large amounts of money; Russia has not resorted to large scale mobilization yet and it's illegal in Russia to send conscripts to Ukraine. The Russians fighting are psychopaths who thought it would be fun, and profitable, to kill off Ukrainians. That's probably a big part of why they fight in such wasteful ways: their commanders don't give a shit whether the men fighting live or die. They're just meat to them. And the Russians fighting don't give a shit about the people around them: they just want to avoid dying long enough to collect their financial reward. Not all cultures or people are equal. That's leftist "defund the police" type nonsense.
ccaa5 - 7h
I also know both Russians and Ukrainians. The sane Russians with at least some wealth have mostly left Russia, for good. The ones I know who have stayed (or returned!) are nutjobs; I'm not concerned about the wealthier Russians who haven't left. And as for the poor ones, if they want to live the onus is on them to do something useful like sabotage to make their country lose faster. It's not that hard. We should not sacrifice the lives of Ukrainians – and quite possibly ourselves in the future – for the sake of Russians. The fact is, you do in fact win wars by killing the other side more efficiently. WW2 was won because far more Germans and Japanese died than westerners. We were damn good at killing them, to the point where they simply surrendered essentially unconditionally.
Karnage @Karnage - 5h
Very doubtful they are volunteers. Russians see Ukraine as family basically because in many cases they do have family there. What’s your source for this?
What does defunding police have anything to do with this? You’re comparing totally irrelevant things…
