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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

There are three main solutions to this efficiency problem: 1) form intra-project teams (group of people working in a tightly coordinated fashion on one system) 2) form inter-project teams (group of people working in a loosely-coordinated fashion on multiple systems) 3) some combination of both 1 and 2 The key here is COORDINATION. Identify the stakeholders, discuss and plan with them, straighten out the specs and the interop, promote and test each other's implementations, make joint announcements, discuss problems, etc. That's the sort of work @elsat has been doing and I'm trying to do, and I think there needs to be more focus on this. The NIPs repo is now too large in size and scope, to have everyone just hanging out in every discussion. We have to actually put effort in, to selecting where to hang out, now. All the people working on relays: form a team All the people working on books: form a team All the people working on teleconferencing: form a team. All the people working on AI: form a team. All the people working on blogging: form a team. And so on. nostr:nevent1qqsqejydjphh7d2r5sgnh8c40st2nz78mvg32q6l7ddg24tlu3cd9dgpz3mhxw309akx7cmpd35x7um58g6rsd3e9upzplfq3m5v3u5r0q9f255fdeyz8nyac6lagssx8zy4wugxjs8ajf7pqvzqqqqqqyw9j36q

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

Nobody wants to do this, I know. More coordination leads to slower development, but higher overall quality and interoperability, and the focus -- until now -- has been entirely on speed. But this is what you have to do, to keep an open protocol from just turning into a hot mess. You have to voluntarily build discussion pools around wider topics. The NIP repo is the wrong pool because one NIP can cover n topics and one topic can affect n NIPs.

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calvadev⚡️ @calvadev⚡️ - 11mo

This is exactly what we marketplace devs have been doing. Updated NIP-99 spec coming #soon™! 🤝 cc nostr:nprofile1qqsypwwgtll74lqu4huvxzjwtjyxvrlkujt35rw8y026ke6ttesmg5gpzemhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrfw3jhxtn0wfnj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7wzpxlr nostr:nprofile1qqsvswpas8wjgsr8gkmggzd7grt8y8pszq55vsr8lnzs5fwalyfe2jgpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejszrthwden5te0dehhxtnvdakqzynhwden5te0danxvcmgv95kutnsw43q4wvq4v nostr:nprofile1qqsrppmpgpe3nckflth7xsd9e7shqc8z2vsw034mfce78uh7ela3zfspzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3samnwvaz7tmrdqh8qatjwpkx2un9d3shjtnrdakspyr84r nostr:nprofile1qqs8nxvpg9shg0ez0yqx4vgvlkpm6vadlu3ushjan5y5nlwkp783jqgpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgqg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0qyv8wumn8ghj7urjv4kkjatd9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wss0u6aq

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

Woo hoo! LFG🚀

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

1) It actually is possible because it's often only a couple of people and they tend to make themselves known and you can approach them. 2) The whole point of self-organisation is that the people organizing do so under their own terms. If someone puts down rules of engagement and demands they follow them, then they have a boss. 3) Wake me up, when you aren't doing your best teamwork at conferences, or at an island retreat, both of which almost none of us can attend.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

We've been the only large team actively trying to do that, but nothing works smoothly enough, or has a large enough feature set, for exclusive productive use, yet. We're assuming that we'll have to build our own Nostr tech stack and then use that, but that has always been the plan. Hence the nostr:nprofile1qqsggm4l0xs23qfjwnkfwf6fqcs66s3lz637gaxhl4nwd2vtle8rnfqprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7qfqwaehxw309ahx7um5wghx26tww4hxg7nhv9h856t89eehqctrv5hsz8rhwden5te0w35x2cmfw3skgetv9ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hsjmvd7t name. Our first step is integrating Nostr with the new OneDev instance, so that we can read/write tickets to the issue board we host on https://gitcitadel.com

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

nostr:nprofile1qqsq7pslujvn5pp3ggzje3qqfua45lyrnrfrsj68emztfe7qpzvwt6qprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7qfqwaehxw309ahx7um5wghx26tww4hxg7nhv9h856t89eehqctrv5hsz9nhwden5te0vaex2etwwdhh2mpwwdcxzcm99ukv33hp is also trying to use Nostr stuff, but it's all such a hot mess that it's been mildly traumatizing, and we've been wandering from one app to another, for over a year.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

We're also giving up and building it, ourselves.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

No way. I've been working with this stuff for over a year and it's still barely alpha. Completely burnt out, trying to test GitWorkshop.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

And it's all missing most of the essential features.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

They don't even notice everything that is missing or broken. I am tired of filling other people's boards with feature requests and bug-fixes. If we're the ones with the ideas, then it's gonna be our board, that we write to. And our team, that gets the feedback. And our company, that produces the product.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

That's a serious 🚩, sir.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

Be careful about moving to open forum, rather than open-invite, as it can actually raise the hurdle for new entrants by forcing them to perform in front of an audience.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

You're talking to the person who sent nostr:nprofile1qqs8qy3p9qnnhhq847d7wujl5hztcr7pg6rxhmpc63pkphztcmxp3wgpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgmwaehxw309a6xsetxdaex2um59ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hsz9nhwden5te0dehhxarjv4kxjar9wvhx7un89uqaujaz back to the drawing board on something tiny, like logins, for the fifth time in a month.

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Sync @Sync - 11mo

Couldn’t agree more 🙏 I think we did fine with the open-invite group, kept conversation focused and there was already enough to go through with our small group and reached out to others we saw on the network that are building on the same spec ✌️once the draft is out more comments will help reshape.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

Put it this way. The houses exist, but the rooms are just bare walls. We consider these all useful prototypes for defining the event structure and helping people understand the functionality, but they're not enterprise systems.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

I think you're missing half the convos because you're only in one room, or something. We have like 7 rooms.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

It's easy to get off GitHub, already, (other than as a mirror), with a self-hosted gitserver and Nostr repo event.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

Oh, yeah, you're in hardly any rooms. 😅 Let me go fix that...

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

Because they like GitHub.

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Silberengel @Laeserin - 11mo

Slack must be eerily quiet, for you. It's like 50 posts per day.

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David @mleku - 11mo

because they are all homosexual

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