Laeserin @Laeserin - 7mo
The Nostr trending algo works backward to Twitter. It nudges you to talk only about Nostr and Bitcoin, or to post platitudes, famous quotes, sexy pics, and heart-warming pictures of nature and food. It's an anti-intellectual algo. An anti-literary algo. An anti-contemplation algo. Any original, complex, or unsettling thought gets buried 6 feet down and a pile of GMs gets poured on top, to seal it in.
Vic @Vic - 7mo
I agree with this... for now. But I suspect this will gradually change over time as people use nostr in new ways, and people apply their own signal/noise algos
You have to remember that most users don't follow that many npubs, so their feed is mostly just a top-ten list and they scroll through the trending lists.
Any client with a trending list, but mostly Primal.
Nostr: Where we never say anything interesting, so that people like us.
Twitter trends at least change topic. 😂
Not really. The trending list is also based upon human recommendations. This will always face the problem that humans will shy away from reposting or recommending anything too edgy, deep, or controversial, even if that's what they prefer to read themselves.
I'm not complaining I can't trend. I trend regularly. Here's the fastest way for me to trend: Post a pretty picture of food. Post a pretty nature picture. Remind people to stack sats. Post a selfie of my face, preferably without makeup or filters and facing the light.
Upvotes don't really count toward trending. Just replies and reposts. Maybe zaps. And only replies in the first level, which is why bland things trend: they have lots of replies and the replies aren't nested because there is no interaction between the repliers.
Dan Wedge @WedgeSocial - 7mo
Theres 10k of us here we have nostr, bitcoin, and maybe 2 other interests right now. What else would the topic be? Besides this is a public square where tomatoes are tossed. not a Paris salon or nor Plato’s republic
You just told me how limited your own feed is. 🤷♀️
The algos specifically exclude deeper conversations.
Whatever. It's more about watching interesting people chat, than specifically about a topic.
It's ironic that Nostr is "technically" censorship-resistant because people are "practically" reluctant to post anything controversial or personal. It might as well just be GM bots and meme bots and anime bots. Dead Nostr.
Yeah, nobody wants to be seen zapping something someone else might not like. Conformity without end, enforced by social pressure.
LOL I'm living rent-free in this guy's head.
Whichever one Band and Primal are using (Freerse uses Primal, I think). They get very similar results, so the logic is probably similar.
node @node - 7mo
I always see your notes. It would be nicr to have lists though
Prove it by posting someplace else.
Reverse-engineering based upon results.
We need to end the mild admonishing the mild to be milder.
It's mostly just a bunch of GMs and press releases from top-10 gigantic accounts and the occasional picture of someone's arse.
😂
nostr:nprofile1qyv8wumn8ghj7enfd36x2u3wdehhxarj9emkjmn99uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcprfmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuargv4ekzmt9vdshgtnfduhszxmhwden5te0w35x2en0wfjhxapwdehhxarjxyhxxmmd9uq3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uqzp22rfmsktmgpk2rtan7zwu00zuzax5maq5dnsu5g3xxvqr2u3pd7ad6wwx didn't you have a method for normalizing the effect of follower counts?
I was also thinking it'd be interesting to have a heat map that showed clusters of threads with active, lively interactions around the same topic, rather than only individual thread content. More threads with a structure like OP A B C A B D A C D E Instead of with "GM structure" OP A B C D E
First one had indentations, to show nested replies. Sorry.
Then why is it still like Jack Calle Jack Calle Jack That's literally what it is, right now. 🤷♀️
Niel Liesmons @nielliesmons - 7mo
You can work with: 1. Diminishing returns: on followers counts, zaps, replies, ... 2. Looking at thread length in the replies as an indicator of real conversation beyond "GM, GM"
He says they're doing all of that, but it has little discernable effect. Probably because the deviation/spread in follower count is so humungous.
Yeah, the onboarding of most apps doesn't really help either with that humongous difference. I'm surprised looking at thread length wouldn't have an influence. That's the first crude algo I'd use to find actual conversation (like this one)
Well, length alone would strongly favor a GM post. Only measuring depth/width/nesting, would uncover interaction.
Obviously, people here care about what those people have to say, but everyone follows them, already, so the trending list adds no information, and many people arriving probably don't care about what they have to say and see the trending list and assume this is just a shrine to a few personalities and a place to say incomprehensible texts full of naughty words.
Perhaps we really can come up with something "better", that doesn't merely list the things everyone has already seen, but that aids discovery of interesting conversations. This is merely a statistical problem. We will think about it. 🤔
I think nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qyfhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnxxaazu6t09uq35amnwvaz7tms09exzmtfvshxv6tpw34xze3wvdhk6tcqyrafsj7hmweg9ur7zmn6apajdg48hxuskujx53rhrux0ttjcqx84y2yrw28 and nostr:nprofile1qydhwumn8ghj7argv4nx7un9wd6zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcprfmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuargv4ekzmt9vdshgtnfduhszythwden5te0dehhxarj9emkjmn99uq3vamnwvaz7t69v3jkutnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qg5waehxw309aex2mrp09skymr99ehhyee0qqsfnw64j8y3zesqlpz3qlf3lx6eutmu0cy6rluq96z0r4pa54tu5eq974x04 are already working on it. Can they be in on the bounty?
