Kanzan @Kanzan - 21h
I must confess to occasionally disingenuously arguing in a devil's advocate way simply for the sake of articulating an argument in public 🤭
also theres a counterspeech-type argument to be made in arenas where ideas are frequently repeated, but not clearly understood by the speakers (this includes myself). for those unaware "counterspeech" suggests the proper response to so-called "negative speech" is more dialogue, not less. the classic quote is Louis Brandeis, “If there be time to expose through discussion, the falsehoods and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.” therefore more dialogue, not less. refinement of ideas through conflict and discussion, not stifling in echo-chambers and refusing to engage with different opinions.
the difference between you and me nostr:nevent1qqsrz5xc4eds6t9hnyupvkfj8sufc7qwmp4rt0fvldwdcrdwxegay0szyruct5cfr97gqhshr8rnrpd4wn7raeq86lqmv9taa6vudt8ztxdmkqcyqqqqqqg8du0fz
Kevin's Bacon @Kevin's Bacon - 20h
If you've been trying to articulate yourself, you're probably doing it poorly, and you've definitely been ignoring everything I've articulated. I have discussed these things with you and highlighted that you are the one with specific standards and goals that you call "ideal" that I never agreed to, that you also never described in sufficient detail to make Amy of your counters to my arguments make Amy relevant sense, and you kept insisting that we must share your same concept of what's better when it is not clear that we do. In this discussion I offered you a mirror of your own energy. Whatever you don't like about my engagement with you here is probably just what you don't like about yourself. I'm sorry if I was too harsh, but you were incoherent at least, and dishonest at worst. Looked like a mix of both to me. I was perfectly willing to go the length to discuss it fully with you despite this, but you have made discussion impossible by reading your own bias into things or otherwise misinterpreting what I have said to suit where you wanted to go in the discussion.
If my arguments are too good for you, tough. Maybe you should try actually addressing the argument next time someone argues with you, instead of putting words in your interlocutor's mouth, you'll make more progress towards understanding.
