5be64 - 2y
The new LN Connect NIP is going to cause more custodial users than before. It's a shame it is being implemented. Instead of users have a one button click that opens their non custodial app, they will opt in for the least resistance which is a custodial alby account. And don't give me the "but users can point this new untested software to their own node at home" because that'll be maybe 0.01% of users? On one hand it's easy to be angry at custodial solutions but on the other, can you blame any dev? Absolutely nobody wants to stick an LND node on a phone. Or deal with port forwarding issues on a box that's just too hard for users to set up in the first place. There's something beautiful about how we are building the nostr:npub1mutnyacc9uc4t5mmxvpprwsauj5p2qxq95v4a9j0jxl8wnkfvuyque23vg SDK, and it may take awhile before we dog food it and promote it as a solution, but in the end it is API calls as simple as send and receive, all non custodially and with access to all of our surrounding services. On any mobile phone, platform, web browser, or server. nostr:npub1p4kg8zxukpym3h20erfa3samj00rm2gt4q5wfuyu3tg0x3jg3gesvncxf8 already showcased this with Mutiny SDK working on a replit instance at BTC++. Took about an hour to integrate a room full of devs. I love building our own wallet, but supporting everyone's mission for non custodial and private bitcoin usage being easy throughout our whole ecosystem is something I'm equally looking forward to.
444ea - 2y
NWC isn't just an Alby thing, they were merely the first adopter. The Protocol is open for other wallets and developers. You can also currently connect to your own lightning node through an umbrel app. Its not a bad thing for self custody, it's a bad thing that most self custody wallet solutions are woefully behind on basic lightning functionality like static lnurls, easy to setup lightning addresses, etc. The NIP is not a problem, wallet devs just need to catch up with the tech.
The Fishcake🐶🐾 @The Fishcake🐶🐾 - 2y
I use custodial wallet and I have wallet connect running on my node. Was not that much trouble to install. I don’t see why would it make things any different from now. The biggest barrier to your own custody is complexity involved in having your own node as a non tech user. 🐶🐾🫡
d1f8a - 2y
Can you please speak more Greek?
This
😂 Yeah, I have to learn to speak multiple languages around here. I know how to speak a little dev, so I can translate for regular folks.
sommerfeld @sommerfeld - 2y
I'm part of the 0.01%! But you're right, it has the same issues as lnurl (a little bit less since you don't need a public webserver and a domain name). I hope mutiny succeeds, looking forward to it. Right now noncustodial LN is mostly a hobbyist dev science experiment, for people like us.
It's actually easier than setting lnurl and zaps
Matthew Ramsden @matthewramsden - 2y
Do y’all have a link to the Replit for what you did at btc++?
Not for non tech users! For me, sure! Zaps are easy now with https://github.com/believethehype/nostdress 🐶🐾🫡
For that you need a public facing webserver and a domain. For NWC you just need to run https://github.com/getAlby/nostr-wallet-connect No need to forward ports or a domain name, it just connects to nostr relays. The configuration is the same, you need to give it access to lnd grpc and the macaroon.
Sure, I have both!🐶🐾🫡
Nice! Then why are you claiming lnurl+zaps is easier than nwc?
futurepaul @futurepaul - 2y
there’s going to be a more official release with a video, but here’s the tutorial https://replit.com/@futurepaul/Building-a-Lightning-node-in-the-browser
I am only saying that setting node up and then funding it and maintaining channels is not something your average Joe or Jane will be able to wrap their head around. And that is absolutely fine! Not everyone needs to be strong in all areas of tech. 🐶🐾🫡
Mutiny Wallet @Mutiny Wallet - 2y
The Mutiny SDK will be a wonderful addition to any application wishing to add non custodial lightning in the browser or native mobile app in the future. Not just for our own wallet! nostr:nevent1qqsxg53qkz5ayzmnnc6tfp73s8a4se0wpn25eyp0uynjq9mta2eaakgpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdupzqklxg3423gcuzxemg5al3khunv6xlueg68aprg86q2s7v3sld2d3qvzqqqqqqyzzed24
Right on, thanks!
d3052 - 2y
How do you receive zaps to non-custodial lightning on your phone when it is screen locked?
The NIP is about making payments. More will use custodial for sending now, in addition to custodial for receiving.
4c8b3 - 2y
Doing his lord Satoshi's work. Psyched for Mutiny. Custodial LN is a plague. Self custody on chain but fees suck. Custodial LN different tradeoffs but sucks too. We can and must do better.
7ba1c - 2y
if you are successful all the non custodial platforms will go down the drain. They will not be happy. But bitcoin needs custodial solutions to disappear down a drain. Bitcoins main utility and purpose is to provide digital non custodial control of money. Custodial wallets are the antithesis of everything bitcoin stands for. I really hope you succeed. Good luck.
Ok, but you mentioned how Mutiny can enable this use case. I understand it is far off but I'm very curious as to how this is even possible. Or maybe I was interpreting some meaning from your post that you didn't intend to convey...?
Also, have you considered using mining rewards to enable greater Mutiny functionality with no on-chain paper trail?
Yeah two things there. At the very least, the mutiny SDK should be able to be embedded into any client for sending with ease. Receiving is a different story but one that we will be able to implement with the async payments feature LDK is working on. Hopefully later this year it will be possible to receive while offline.
